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There are quite a few glitches in the German keyword list:
Gehweg
>Gehweg
Pfad
Reitweg
>Reitweg
Sackgasse
>SackgasseAlso, the wedding is in “Urlaub” (=holidays) and spread over too many (in my view) inaccurately sorted other topics. My guess is, cultural differences also play a big role in hierarchies. To me, “Urlaub” can be time-off, off-work or travels. And making my own keyword list was an amazing journey into language. How I use and what I use to describe a thing is valid for me. Only, I’m afraid.
Things like “Aktienkategorien” as translation of “stock categories”? are plain wrong! Too many false friends in German AND English, especially American English. Stockphotos are an American invention and marketing strategies. If you like I can try to improve the translations, but cultural differences are super hard to translate. I’m very sorry Nik, but as a technical writer I’m oversensitive to translation chaos. And I don’t think you used DeepL.com. Google is also caged in their way of American thinking which often neglects cultural heritage of other languages.
I also can send you my list of 1185 keywords, but what works best for me unfortunately is ONLY for me the best approach, others will rightfully criticize my decisions and will avoid mixing them with their best approach.
I’d like to join the discussion as I just finished transferring my main Aperture lib to the new Mac and the new C1 structures of lib and keywords. A lot of work and questionsmarks for the future but some things went really well. In comparison I liked Aperture’s way to handle, edit, find and tag keywords to images a lot better than C1’s. A main reason for that was: If I discover a typo or misspelled keyword in AA’s keyword list, I could alter/correct it and the images already containing that specific keyword will also benefit from my (too late) correction work – no additional work needed. Nitro doesn’t do so, that’s unfortunate: I then would need to first find the images with the wrong keyword/s, remove it and add the corrected ones. A lot of fuzz including intelligent albums, static albums to correct mistakes and these kind of mistakes are kind of an unwanted hobby of me.
May I also suggest you check the volume of your voice, Nik? I had to increase the volume and use airpods to get your comments which brought some side noises, mostly resonances, into the soundtrack. After the video another YT video from somebody else was rather loud.
Now, the AI part, as interesting as it is in terms of technology, is useless to me as my standard keyword list is in German. And will remain in German, as I don’t intend to sell my images internationally. What I also will not do is mixing the languages. There are few words similar in both languages with a different meaning, like “hose” which in German is “trousers” and the English “hose” is “Schlauch” in German. I don’t need to confuse my small brains more than I already done. Or words with more than one meaning in one language and then it depends on the hierarchy.
Nonetheless I appreciate your approach to use Apple’s AI as I constantly use it to look to species of plants and aninmals and then tag it with my keyword list. I also bought an Excire license which is close to unusable, except for the search for similar images and faces.
One super-feature of AA was (and still is, imo) “faces”. Before I transferred the AA lib into C1, I used faces which in my 35k images lib consisted of more than 450 named faces (although often less than 10 images/face).
All keywording strategies fall short/will fail on the same topic: Merging the new strategy with an existing one and I reckon it to be a nightmare to merge unknown, not very logic, not very consistent strategies into the one the developer/s is focused on. I think it’s like building the tower of Babylon.
I tried to edit my last post with
And I feel there’s a bit too much sliders: Highlights and Reproduce (Wiederherstellen) and White, Shadows and Blacks and Amplify Shadows and Improve Depths. I don’t find it always clear what to do with which slider and which to prefer over the other in which special image.
but somehow “submit” didn’t submit, even after refreshing the page.
The histogram can also be manipulated if you scroll down the tool list. In German, it’s “Tonwerte”, maybe in English it’s Tonality or Tone. You’ll find it underneath “RAW Tuning and you first need to check the checkbox. I also try to replace C1, but lately I missed the repair brush and didn’t find anything in Nitro to remove some sensor dust particles.
Clicking on IMG first leads to a line starting with
http://Sorry, I don’t know how to upload images from my SmugMug website or a link to an image on that site without using html. Should I use LINK instead? And running a forum about an image software which makes it difficult to upload images or at least place a link to another site is limiting an illustration possibility as well as a safety risk. I can acknowledge the risk of HTML and prefer you don’t have to waste time to pamper security precautions. I’m no expert in HTML so I better stay away from linking to sceenshots.<img src="https://sojujo.smugmug.com/Other/Nitro-Screenmovies/n-8kxgNf/i-6VQGpkZ/A" alt="" />That’s the link to the image. Which usually works on other forums.
Before I updated to the new version, I quit Nitro. Then started again and added a new folder to the left sidebar.
After reporting the bug, I quit Nitro again and just staretd it now. No more horizontal line.
From the old screenshot I can say, the width were two px on the screen, one 0,0,0 and the other 166,166,166 or opacity. If you need the screenshots, I can send them by mail.It would indeed be very helpful to try out different variant developments of the same RAW. Be it crop sizes and orientations, b/w and colour or other experiments.
I plan to add keywords to the Finder-side of things because that doesn’t have that restriction / limitation.
I’m not sure if that wouldn’t become an overload for me. Currently I do use keywords in finder – just not for photos but for file metadata. And I’m a lousy keyworder: 58% of my images have no keyword at all and if the ones with keywords have all applicable keywords of a keyword catalog of nearly 1200 entries, growing over the past 6 years? I very much doubt so. I’d still be most happy if I’d be able to using the folder > project > album > smart album hierarchy I got used to in Aperture and tried to develop in C1. With the downside that C1’s programmers aren’t interested in giving the users a fulltext search for these structural elements of their own DAM.
I can understand that keywords can be helpful in big databases with more than 1 user. But I catched myself using the AI search of Excire more successful than guessing which keyword would apply to an image I am looking for.
Nik, why can I copy the settings in the menu, but cannot paste it into another image in the same menu? Why can the extra buttons do more/better than a menu entry? Next to it, after being in the menu I tried to hover the mouse over these buttons to get an help text. I was not sure whether these would copy/paste the image or it’s settings as the icons indicate “copy file” to me. The help text didn’t show up then. Of course, located at the bottom of the edit tools list should already give a hint, but at that moment to me the icons were not part of the edit possibilities but maybe something else.
Now that I learnt about the icons, I can only recommend: If there’s the same functionality of those icons in the menu, I should be able to use the menu or the icons, else it gets confusing. In future I will prefer the icons.
As for reproduction of the bug I definitely lack the terminology you use for different views. There was a view without any sidebar buttons, only the thumbnails strip and one image ready to edit.
I first used the context menu to copy settings from one edited image to another.
Pencil icon appeared.
After a while I found the button Show sidebar, this brought back the “edit” icon.
Clicking on it, I saw some sliders moving back to their defaults.
Just tried to do again but I didn’t find any view composition with thumbnails and without the toolbars on the side of the main window.Why is “editing” the original post impossible?
I just found a bug: When I’m in the “show thumbails” mode and I click on the edit button in top right side bar, the pasted edit changes go back to default. Edits are gone at least the pated ones. Copy and paste edits is an important part in my workflow. I don’t appreciate if an app sabotages the pasted edits.
Thank you, a possibility to clean up the thumbnail folders would be nice. Just as information for you: I can also select folders containing JPGs and drag them on JPEGmini Pro. The folder/s remain in their location, it just saves a couple of GB diskspace. And since I’m not uploading RAW images into iCloud, I feel this helps a lot. I’m not used to such big RAW files and maybe I need to alter my workflow anyway.
The idea with a screen video did show me another weakness of Nitro.
After the video I deleted 30 test images in Nitro, after that I deleted the folder. Nitro did move the RAWs to the trash and once emptied, they were gone – as to be expected.
However, none of the 30 thumbnails in 5 different folders in Nitro’s data was deleted. Do I really have to clean up manually?
As “Editing” my last post is not possible, here’s my addendum:
You could have told me that after 500 thumbnails Nitro creates a new folder. This limit was reached yesterday. So, there’s
‘/Users/username/Library/Containers/com.gentlemencoders.nitro/Data/Library/Caches/File System/FullSize-1‘
and
‘/Users/username/Library/Containers/com.gentlemencoders.nitro/Data/Library/Caches/File System/FullSize-2‘as well as the other ones. And here the missing 64 images are present. I didn’t notice “Fullsize-2” as I only monitored FullSize-1.
So, Nitro IS using more than one massive preview/thumbnail folder. And Nitro didn’t ignore a single file. Good to know.
These 64 files were recalculated from 1.12 GB to 736 MB, roughly ⅓ less big size. The screenvideo I just made from the process was 266.5 MB and is now 110.7 without any loss of quality.
Oh, and I like to quote you once more: “Let’s start with your title. You are incorrect. Nitro’s thumbnails are future-proofed.” My title had a question mark at the end. Therefore it was no statement, so please use the term incorrect to my incorrect statements. And why did I have to find out myself that Nitro is not filling one big folder, but creating new ones after reaching a 500 images limit? 😉 After all, not knowing this was resulting in this title.
Are you sure you understood what I wrote?
“You are right. You are asking for trouble. Please do not manipulate the Nitro Previews folder.”
For the third and last time: I DO NOT MANIPULATE THE NITRO PREVIEWS FOLDER!!! Neither am I generating subfolders nor deleting or adding files to it. I’m fully aware to not mess up a given Nitro folder structure. And the one asking for trouble imo is Nitro’s programmer by throwing all thumbnails (in their respective size) into single folders one for each thumbnail size, but only because in other apps I experience longer and longer response times the more content one single folder has.
All I do – and this is long term practice, which you are maybe not aware of – is shrinking the big JPGs generated by Nitro using Apple’s raw-conversion machinery with a standalone app to an acceptable size, but without fiddling with their quality or compression settings. My experiments with JPEGmini Pro from Beamr Imaging ltd a couple of years (!) ago did show no quality loss, no hickups and so far it saved me 196 GB of disk space and – more important – my images in the web load faster. JPEGmini Pro appears to have better algorithms.
Once again, I have to do this process because your application sits on a sometime crowded library on the main drive and stores large thumbnails there without giving me the option of using an external SSD for the growing database and number of thumbnails. Using JPEGmini Pro is the only way to postpone the moment of ‘no more storage space available’ a little further into the future.
“The app avoids creating large previews when they aren’t needed.” If I tell the app to create (better) thumbnail views of a selection of images, I expect the app to do so and to do it with all selected images, not only ⅓ of them!
At first, I was pleasantly surprised that Nitro can deal with large Hasselblad files. Downsides are Nitro’s forced residence on the main drive which will not expand. Also, the poor quality of the JPG previews inside the RAW as Hasselblad opts for “fff” (sort of TIF, I guess) previews in their genuine raw converter Phocus. And now this weird behaviour.
Suggestion: I’ll prepare a screenvideo and send a link to it by mail as I’m afraid, me being no native speaker would possibly create more misunderstandable text
Any specific reason for this imo nonsensical limitation? It’s not only about square thumbnail setting . And btw., Nitro on my Mac is set up in German, so I will use furtheron the translated description. For what on Earth anybody needs square thumbnails? To imitate the “Photos” view? I don’t know any sensor proportion to be squarish. We are using landscape or portrait orientation and a square ignores this information amongst many others. Does anybody else know a professional raw converter with square thumbnails?
When I work on an image, I switch off the space consuming film strip view. From that moment on the image becomes anonymous, and for each bit of metadata I need to scroll up or jump when in Edit Mode into EXIF mode. I don’t know how you work on/edit raws but I suspect my workflow being very different from yours.
