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I may be misunderstanding. Due to restrictions in Apple’s architecture, almost all the new features in the new release will not be available if I use the apple standard photo library. I say that because the info panel doesn’t even have a keywords field so the very first step from your video doesn’t work. Please corrrect me if I am missing something!
The release notes discuss keywords in the photo library, as does the video and the user manual. So, the new release does add functionality for the photo library. Please let me know how my descriptions could be better.
As far as showing keywords in Info, the info panel only shows keywords if the image has them. As a rule, I avoid showing blank lines in the metadata area. You can set keywords in Photos, and in Nitro (as mentioned in the video etc), you can view, filter, and make smart albums.
If you have a situation where an image in the Photo library has keywords and Nitro does not show them, please let me know.
I’d like to join the discussion as I just finished transferring my main Aperture lib to the new Mac and the new C1 structures of lib and keywords. A lot of work and questionsmarks for the future but some things went really well. In comparison I liked Aperture’s way to handle, edit, find and tag keywords to images a lot better than C1’s. A main reason for that was: If I discover a typo or misspelled keyword in AA’s keyword list, I could alter/correct it and the images already containing that specific keyword will also benefit from my (too late) correction work – no additional work needed. Nitro doesn’t do so, that’s unfortunate: I then would need to first find the images with the wrong keyword/s, remove it and add the corrected ones. A lot of fuzz including intelligent albums, static albums to correct mistakes and these kind of mistakes are kind of an unwanted hobby of me.
May I also suggest you check the volume of your voice, Nik? I had to increase the volume and use airpods to get your comments which brought some side noises, mostly resonances, into the soundtrack. After the video another YT video from somebody else was rather loud.
Now, the AI part, as interesting as it is in terms of technology, is useless to me as my standard keyword list is in German. And will remain in German, as I don’t intend to sell my images internationally. What I also will not do is mixing the languages. There are few words similar in both languages with a different meaning, like “hose” which in German is “trousers” and the English “hose” is “Schlauch” in German. I don’t need to confuse my small brains more than I already done. Or words with more than one meaning in one language and then it depends on the hierarchy.
Nonetheless I appreciate your approach to use Apple’s AI as I constantly use it to look to species of plants and aninmals and then tag it with my keyword list. I also bought an Excire license which is close to unusable, except for the search for similar images and faces.
One super-feature of AA was (and still is, imo) “faces”. Before I transferred the AA lib into C1, I used faces which in my 35k images lib consisted of more than 450 named faces (although often less than 10 images/face).
All keywording strategies fall short/will fail on the same topic: Merging the new strategy with an existing one and I reckon it to be a nightmare to merge unknown, not very logic, not very consistent strategies into the one the developer/s is focused on. I think it’s like building the tower of Babylon.
There are quite a few glitches in the German keyword list:
Gehweg
>Gehweg
Pfad
Reitweg
>Reitweg
Sackgasse
>SackgasseAlso, the wedding is in “Urlaub” (=holidays) and spread over too many (in my view) inaccurately sorted other topics. My guess is, cultural differences also play a big role in hierarchies. To me, “Urlaub” can be time-off, off-work or travels. And making my own keyword list was an amazing journey into language. How I use and what I use to describe a thing is valid for me. Only, I’m afraid.
Things like “Aktienkategorien” as translation of “stock categories”? are plain wrong! Too many false friends in German AND English, especially American English. Stockphotos are an American invention and marketing strategies. If you like I can try to improve the translations, but cultural differences are super hard to translate. I’m very sorry Nik, but as a technical writer I’m oversensitive to translation chaos. And I don’t think you used DeepL.com. Google is also caged in their way of American thinking which often neglects cultural heritage of other languages.
I also can send you my list of 1185 keywords, but what works best for me unfortunately is ONLY for me the best approach, others will rightfully criticize my decisions and will avoid mixing them with their best approach.
As I coul not edit my last post: I know how much work and thoughts are involved in a keywording system. It’s amazing how you implemented the ways to work with individual keyword lists, thank you so much!
Hi Joachim,
Thanks for the feedback. I am not surprised that the translation needs work. Part of the issue is that English terminology doesn’t always have a direct match in other languages (and sometimes the reverse – English does not differentiate between two concepts that other languages do).
Since you offered :-), I would ask that you consider correcting the errors in the German keywords that are supplied with the app, rather than the one you have built for yourself. I can then replace the file for the next release of the app.
I did use Google in this case, though I have used DeepL in other situations. In this case, I ran into some issues with DeepL and I could tell that some of the translations from DeepL were incorrect, so I went with Google.
Yeah, I like to help. How would it be the easiest way for you? Your German keyword-list in a Numbers-table and mine topo, to check and compare my changes?
Btw. I’m absolutely blown away by what Nitro can do in the first release version of this keyword feature! Great work, Capture Oje (my translation for the Danish DAM attempt) will never eben dare to think about something like this.
I also made a brief comparison bewteen Nitro AI keywording and Excire for a friend of mine. I think it went well, so I forwarded it to the author of some photo app tests in German computer magazine c’t. I’d like Nitro to be featured a bit more by them.
“The release notes discuss keywords in the photo library, as does the video and the user manual. So, the new release does add functionality for the photo library. Please let me know how my descriptions could be better.
As far as showing keywords in Info, the info panel only shows keywords if the image has them. As a rule, I avoid showing blank lines in the metadata area. You can set keywords in Photos, and in Nitro (as mentioned in the video etc), you can view, filter, and make smart albums.
If you have a situation where an image in the Photo library has keywords and Nitro does not show them, please let me know.”
I think one way would be to have a table showing what works in the default macos Photos library and what works in the file system.
I watched the video but some things were hard to follow without actually trying to software (that’s not a critique just a fact of life.) When I launched the app I searched for the word keywords in the app UI and could not find it. Under metadata I found “tags” and I was immediately confused but assumed they would be different from keywords. Beyond that I could not find it.
You mentioned AI keywords. I still hvae no idea but I believe they only work with Filesystem libraries.
You mentioned smartfolders but smartfolders from Mac’s default photo lubrary don’t work as far as I know in Nitro.
I agree that you have implemented a lot of functionality. Kudos for that. But a feature should not require a documentation, a video, and emails to undertstand how to use it.
Okay. A table would have been helpful.
Here is a text table:
File System: view, add, edit, filter, copy/paste. The AI feature is part of “add”
Photo Library: view, filter, smart albums.If you search for Keywords in the menus, you will see the menu items. But the main interface is a top-level item with the Info / Edit / etc.
Also, I did not mention Smart Folders. I said Smart Albums. And like any smart album in Nitro, it’s Nitro-specific (and smart albums in Photos are Photos-specific).
I’m sorry you find the keyword function hard to understand. It’s feature-rich, and I had to add a new item to the sidebar to add all of the functionality. That’s why I spent hours writing documentation and making videos. I guess I could have put in an arrow pointing to the keyword button in the right toolbar.
@joachim_jundt: My keyword table is just a text file (tab-delimited), so you can edit that and send it to me.
@joachim_jundt: thank you for the compliments and also for spreading the word to other people (and the magazine writer)!
>> If you search for Keywords in the menus, you will see the menu items.
You’re right. Sorry I missed them.>> But the main interface is a top-level item with the Info / Edit / etc.
Not sure where that is.>> Also, I did not mention Smart Folders. I said Smart Albums. And like any smart album in Nitro, it’s Nitro-specific (and smart albums in Photos are Photos-specific).
You’re right. My mistake.>> I’m sorry you find the keyword function hard to understand. It’s feature-rich, and I had to add a new item to the sidebar to add all of the functionality.
I don’t see what item in the sidebar you mean.>> That’s why I spent hours writing documentation and making videos.
And I appreciate that. I can see from the functionality that it took a lot of work. The bifurcation between apple native albums and the file system must cause you untold headaches both explaining and in the code.>> I guess I could have put in an arrow pointing to the keyword button in the right toolbar.
I don’t see that button you are refferring to.You will not see the button if you are using the Photo Library because that button is all about adding and changing keywords.
–Nik
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