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Take care @David Brewster when it comes to keywords in C1. Exporting a keyword catalog from C1 will result in a non-alphabetical mess in my experience. And correcting typos in keywords is a nightmare if some images already got the keywords with typo: First I need to find these images (in all catalogs…), then create an album and put them in, then delete the wrong one and apply the corrected one, else I’d get images with “buirch” and “birch”. Next annoying thing are capitals. For C1 a TREE is something else than a tree and something else than a Tree. At first glance this could be helpful to build hierarchies, in reality it’s a nightmare finding keywords. If you just starting with keywords you might be better off using Nitro for keywording.
C1’s ability to use catalogs instead of only sessions was introduced long ago and since then, not much happened to improve usability.
@HansKG, just to mention: a decade is 10 years, not 5. As “everything is neatly sorted” for you, I don’t dare to ask how you get an overview over 6 levels of folders. To me that would be a constant nightmare. And a partition is not a folder, but anyway, as you say it’s working for you – great. So, you basically use the finder’s search if you need images of a castle you made during some vacancies?
Tried to put a screen video together: https://sojujo.smugmug.com/Other/DxO-Forum/n-Cr7pHp/i-kZCxcfd/A The facade in the video also shows a part, which is not vertical (will of architect), so I had to use lines for the outside of the image. It’s not the average use case. But using the sliders sometimes just shows the problem that my camera was not exactly vertical in that moment which the needs my mouse to travel long distances between straightening and perspective tool. And the 4 point tool is simply unforeseeable for me.
I’m using the last version without subscription (16.2.6.7), so I can’t say anything about 16.6. But I see the main differences:
Vertical, horizontal or both at once can be corrected by two or four lines, each with two handles. The handles could be even more helpful, if Crapture One devs would have considered to let them become a loupe, when the cursor is on them, but maybe the newer versions are improved.
This makes the process easy to understand, compared to the sliders of Nitro. I simply adjust to line to an object which needs to be upright or horizontally Also, I don’t need to level the image before I can try to correct the perspective. And thanks to the lines, I can use small portions of the image and still get a good result. Of course, I’m used to it and maybe need more time to get used to Nitro’s way. But if I have to adjust more than one image, I have to scroll down quite a bit to get to the tools, still need more time and get less convincing results.
The 4 point adjustment of C1 (and Nitro, too) is good to quickly get a frame of a painting, a window or a monitor screen in an image rectangular. But an image of houses in an alley is different, here I only need verticals.
As @JillJam stated, the auto-correction is a very good starting point and thanks to the guiding lines (?) adjustment of facades with old houses with not much straight or upright lines still can be done.
Thank you very much. I don’t know of any other camera now with a RAW format that requires conversion to another RAW format. When I shoot tethered, the files go to the drive as .fff. The difference in size is between 20 and 30 MB per RAW. Strange.
There was an update of Phocus in October 2024 and the last version was released end of March 2025. Can’t see a connection.
It’s not coming from JPGmini. I just checked a file which I put into JPGmini just half an hour ago. Result:
File modification happended more than two months after the image was taken, but not tonight. Nonetheless, Nitro is not showing Date created / Date/time Original.Could that have something to do with my reprocessing the big previews in JPEGmini? In other pictures from other cameras the “File modification date/time” is the same as the “Date created Date/time Original“. But not with the X2D RAWs.
On second thought: Maybe not. My workflow with this camera is
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Open Hasselblad Phocus
Connect the camera to the Mac
Import the .3FR RAWs
Then they become .fff RAWs and are smaller than before, so something is changed by Phocus
After that I navigate to ‘/Users/myName/Library/Containers/com.gentlemencoders.nitro/Data/Library/Caches/File System’
Select all folders and drag them over JPGmini’s app window (files remain in place, of course, no harm is done)James, auto-correction is always a bit of a gamble, but I believe, instead of trying to autocorrect in other photo editors you might be just as quick remaining inside Nitro… no, I just tried, sorry. Phew.
The problem with 4 point perspective corrector is that you really need to know how the new perspective should look like before your start it. In most other apps I align two construction-lines along two lines in the image which should be straight, either upright or horizontally. This is a lot of try & error in Nitro and the fact, that a portion of the image is enlarged massively and I first need to correct “enlargement” makes it less useful than most other competitors.
It’s not always about rectangularity in the image, depending on my perspective towards a facade. And cropping away huge chunks of the image which are outside the field of the perspective corrector makes the result (too often) useless. This looks like a lot of work needed.
I have completed the list. Impressive work you have done! I emailed it to you, please feel free to ask if my changes and comments are unclear.
Btw. I’m absolutely blown away by what Nitro can do in the first release version of this keyword feature! Great work, Capture Oje (my translation for the Danish DAM attempt) will never eben dare to think about something like this.
I also made a brief comparison bewteen Nitro AI keywording and Excire for a friend of mine. I think it went well, so I forwarded it to the author of some photo app tests in German computer magazine c’t. I’d like Nitro to be featured a bit more by them.
Yeah, I like to help. How would it be the easiest way for you? Your German keyword-list in a Numbers-table and mine topo, to check and compare my changes?
As I coul not edit my last post: I know how much work and thoughts are involved in a keywording system. It’s amazing how you implemented the ways to work with individual keyword lists, thank you so much!
There are quite a few glitches in the German keyword list:
Gehweg
>Gehweg
Pfad
Reitweg
>Reitweg
Sackgasse
>SackgasseAlso, the wedding is in “Urlaub” (=holidays) and spread over too many (in my view) inaccurately sorted other topics. My guess is, cultural differences also play a big role in hierarchies. To me, “Urlaub” can be time-off, off-work or travels. And making my own keyword list was an amazing journey into language. How I use and what I use to describe a thing is valid for me. Only, I’m afraid.
Things like “Aktienkategorien” as translation of “stock categories”? are plain wrong! Too many false friends in German AND English, especially American English. Stockphotos are an American invention and marketing strategies. If you like I can try to improve the translations, but cultural differences are super hard to translate. I’m very sorry Nik, but as a technical writer I’m oversensitive to translation chaos. And I don’t think you used DeepL.com. Google is also caged in their way of American thinking which often neglects cultural heritage of other languages.
I also can send you my list of 1185 keywords, but what works best for me unfortunately is ONLY for me the best approach, others will rightfully criticize my decisions and will avoid mixing them with their best approach.
I’d like to join the discussion as I just finished transferring my main Aperture lib to the new Mac and the new C1 structures of lib and keywords. A lot of work and questionsmarks for the future but some things went really well. In comparison I liked Aperture’s way to handle, edit, find and tag keywords to images a lot better than C1’s. A main reason for that was: If I discover a typo or misspelled keyword in AA’s keyword list, I could alter/correct it and the images already containing that specific keyword will also benefit from my (too late) correction work – no additional work needed. Nitro doesn’t do so, that’s unfortunate: I then would need to first find the images with the wrong keyword/s, remove it and add the corrected ones. A lot of fuzz including intelligent albums, static albums to correct mistakes and these kind of mistakes are kind of an unwanted hobby of me.
May I also suggest you check the volume of your voice, Nik? I had to increase the volume and use airpods to get your comments which brought some side noises, mostly resonances, into the soundtrack. After the video another YT video from somebody else was rather loud.
Now, the AI part, as interesting as it is in terms of technology, is useless to me as my standard keyword list is in German. And will remain in German, as I don’t intend to sell my images internationally. What I also will not do is mixing the languages. There are few words similar in both languages with a different meaning, like “hose” which in German is “trousers” and the English “hose” is “Schlauch” in German. I don’t need to confuse my small brains more than I already done. Or words with more than one meaning in one language and then it depends on the hierarchy.
Nonetheless I appreciate your approach to use Apple’s AI as I constantly use it to look to species of plants and aninmals and then tag it with my keyword list. I also bought an Excire license which is close to unusable, except for the search for similar images and faces.
One super-feature of AA was (and still is, imo) “faces”. Before I transferred the AA lib into C1, I used faces which in my 35k images lib consisted of more than 450 named faces (although often less than 10 images/face).
All keywording strategies fall short/will fail on the same topic: Merging the new strategy with an existing one and I reckon it to be a nightmare to merge unknown, not very logic, not very consistent strategies into the one the developer/s is focused on. I think it’s like building the tower of Babylon.
